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Do the new regs for 6020b apply to you?

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< style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Paycheck Piracy wrote: Based on the research we have, the Internal Revenue Code and its regs apply to federal subjects. <>Have you made the determination you are a federal subject or have you relied upon the information sent to you by the IRS erroneously addressing you as "Dear Taxpayer".

Bob Minarik responds:

I do not come within either category that you broach. It appears that you may have missed the point of why we are hammering on the 26 USC 6020 issue. Those who understand the procedure that the IRS has been using, know that the IRS has been erroneously relying on Section 6020 to create a fraudulent tax liability against those who assert they are not "taxpayers," even though Section 6020 grants no such authority.

Here is how it works. Under the claimed authority of 26 USC 6020 and its regs, the IRS first creates a "dummy return" and asserts the return as that of the taxpayer. They call this a Substitute for Return or SFR. This is not a "return" at all as that term is defined in the IR code. There is no signature under penalty of perjury, nor are there figures from which to make any computations.

The "dummy return - SFR" is then used as the basis to open a tax module for a "taxpayer." Figures are then asserted by the IRS, from w-2's 1099's, 1098's, K-1's or the Bureau of Labor Statistics, to allege taxable income to that "taxpayer." Then the IRS creates a "deficiency" of tax, which term is defined in the code at Section 6211 as "......the amount by which the tax imposed...... exceeds the excess of ....... the amount shown as the tax by the taxpayer upon his return, if a return was made by the taxpayer and an amount was shown as the tax by the taxpayer theron......"

Once the 30 letter showing these created computations is issued, then comes the 90 day Notice of Deficiency. You are now on the slippery slope with only 3 options. You can either (1) ignore the NOD and they will assert an "assessment" within 150 days of the issuance of the Notice of Deficiency, or you can (2) pay the amount they claim as a deficiency and sue for refund in a United States District Court or you can (3) file a petition within 90 days with the United States Tax Court where only computations are addressed.

As you can see, all 3 options are flawed, all because the IRS created an SFR that they had no authority to create. Our goal with the objections to the regs for Section 6020 is not only to object, but to educate patriots and the public of the fraud the IRS thieves have been committing, are now committing and will continue to commit in the future.

Wise people would see that this 6020 issue is a tool that has fallen into our hands that we can use at this moment to hurt the enemy and raise some eyebrows!!!! Wise people would have taken those e-mails that Larry Becraft and Joe Banister and I sent out on the subject and sent it to everyone on their list!!!! Wise people wouldn't be sitting around playing switch, telling others that it doesn't apply to them because they are not taxpayers. Wise people are realists and would take advantage of the hand that is dealt to them.

We are past the stage when we can sit around and exchange esoteric sophistry about the income tax. This is action time!!!!!! Let's educate as we take it to em!!!!!!!

The information web site for taking action on this topic is: http://www.stop6020now.com/

If you have trouble accessing these on line tools that the government provides for submission of comments to the regs, just do a yahoo, google or dogpile search for the telephone numbers of your congressperson and tell them that you want them to submit your comment for you. Time is of the essence here. You need to move right along.

bob minarik - rochester indiana - 574-542-9065

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From: Paycheck-Piracy-list-owner@mail-list.com

To: rlmpfl9065@earthlink.net

Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 1:20 AM

Subject: Do the new regs for 6020b apply to you?

Based on the research we have, the Internal Revenue Code and its regs apply to federal subjects. Have you made the determination you are a federal subject or have you relied upon the information sent to you by the IRS erroneously addressing you as "Dear Taxpayer".

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: Fw: [national_lawman] 6020 (b) regulations

Dear Lawmen and Others With Thinking Caps on:

The tempest in the teapot continues with everyone getting excited about possible new regs for 6020 b. It is an undisputable fact of law that one person cannot sign a form for another person unless they have a "power of attorney" on file. I guess that I will choose NOT TO GIVE POWER OF ATTORNEY to the IRS to sign for me!!!!??? A return that is not signed has no legal force or effect. How can a return be signed by an IRS agent that has no personal knowledge of your income, earnings, deductions, statuts, etc.?

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The orginal mailing of October 10th from Bob Minarik and Larry Becraft

----- Original Message -----
From: bob minarik

To: bob minarik

Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:24 AM

Subject: Only 7 days left to object to the 6020 regs

To all patriots for liberty!!

<>       Take note and read between the lines of what Attorney Larry Becraft has written and requested below. Larry is southern gentlemen from Huntsville, Alabama.
It takes a Yankee to interpret for him.  Here is the bottom line.

      These IRS thieves want to cover their butts on a section of the IR Code

that they have been abusing for over 20 years by creating 1040 "dummy

returns" where no returns have been made or filed. They have done this without

any delegated authority so they could fool their computer system into

accepting the fact that an income tax return was filed by someone when it actually

was not.

     They do this because this allows a tax module to be opened in the name

of that party. This then allows them to meet the statutory definition of a

"deficiency" (which requires a return for computation purposes) and then to

create a "Notice of Deficiency" which must be issued before an "assessment"

can be made against those who do not volunteer a tax return of their own.

       Today, this method of theft has become so obvious that the honchos in the IRS

have to try to cover their tracks of theft or be exposed.   This is why these

new regs are being proposed.   If they can justify their future theft, they can continue

with their past theft allowing the courts to also continue to maintain a deaf ear

and a blind eye to all their thefts.

      Now, as far as the objections to these regs, the rule of law pertaining to

changes of regulations in general, requires that the agency take input from the public

before the regs are changed.   But as Larry points out,  with so many objections

coming in, the IRS is changing its methods to make it tougher for the public to

express those views.   So on top of theft, we have more chicanery to cover up the theft.

       I urge you to go the site that Larry mentions and put in your objections to

this unadulterated crap.   You need to make the record.   You don't want these guys

coming back with their lies by saying that nobody objected!!!   There are only 7 days

left to make that objection.   Please do so now!!

      As a free people we shouldn't need to be doing this!!!  This is just another reason

why the IRS must be destroyed and the ground salted so heavy that not even asparagus

will grow!!!



      bob minarik - rochester indiana

Larry B's e-mail below:

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From: Larry Becraft - Attorney at Law - Huntsville, Alabama

Folks,

As an exercise in making government work, I ask all of you to take a few
moments and go to:

http://www.stop6020now.com/

The IRS is now proposing new regulations for an important activity to
which we can object. This site explains how to do so.

When this site first was posted, objections to these regs could be made

via direct links, but because of this site and the traffic it generated, IRS
changed things to make it harder to object over the Net. But please read
what is posted at the above and object: there are only 7 days left for
objections.

Larry   - becraft@hiwaay.net